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Culver vs. Nussle Iowa Governor Debate

Update [2006-10-3 18:9:51 by Ross Smith]: Video is now available online.

Update [2006-10-3 0:27:2 by Ross Smith]: I am plunking follow up on blog takes and some of the early press commentary into the comments instead of adding separate threads.

This is a quick take on the debate tonight in what is a close race. MyDD's Governor Forecast has the background:

Democratic Governor Tom Vilsack, who is not running for a third term, has a passable approval rating, but that hasn't abated the anti-incumbent party feeling from hitting Iowa this year as Democratic Secretary of State Chet Culver takes on Republican Congressman Jim Nussle. For a state as closely watched as Iowa, there is a surprising dearth of polling on the gubernatorial race, but the data currently available indicates rather clearly that this race could go either way at this point -- though Culver appears to have some momentum on his side.
Latest polling: Selzer & Co., Culver 44 - Nussle 44, September 17; Research 2000, Culver 48 - Nussle 43, September 13; Rasmussen Reports, Culver 42 - Nussle 40, September 1.

Not being from Iowa and knowing not having followed the politics there, my take is that from a tabula rasa perspective, Culver had the better of it. He did the better debating.

Click "there's more" to see why and to add your comments.

The opening.
First, Nussle's opening ploy backfired in my opinion. The debate started without opening statements, diving right in with the first question, asking why so many attack ads. Nussle never answered the question, talking about how "freedom is not free" (where is he going with this?) then winding up asking for a moment of silence for fallen troops in Iraq.

It was awkward and looked like he was trying to benefit from the deaths of the soldiers.

Culver almost played it right, asking to make a statement and doing so. But then he finished by answering the original question, saying, in effect "Nussle started it with the attack ads." I think he could have stopped before he got to the

The questioner then said Nussle did not answer the question. Nussle then claims he focuses on issues and distorts Culver's answer, mischaracterizing it by saying "my opponent claims he does not run negative ads" when Culver only said he did not go first, not that he made no attacks.

Culver then says he was just responding to attacks and will not let attacks go unanswered. Opening goes to Culver.

On the substance, both are for lots of ethanol. And ethanol. Did I mention ethanol?

The overall narrative of the policy issues and qualifications debate favor Culver for three reasons:

  1. Culver had more specific answers to questions that asked for details of policies. His eight years in state executive office showed. Nussle's answers were frequently vague or generic, saying we need a business "climate" that is better or simply talking vaguely about lower taxes.

  2. Culver repeated several times that he was a "fifth generation Iowan" and that he has experience with Iowa. His theme was that Nussle had been in D.C. for 16 years and was tied to Bush. Every time Nussle tried to argue Culver would overspend, Culver responded with the fact that Nussle was chair of the budget committee in Congress that turned a surpus into a deficit. Given the national mood, the portrayal of Iowa against D.C. seems to be a smart one.

  3. Culver followed up and rebutted Nussle. This is important. As in many debates, the format was simply a series of questions with each candidate getting one shot at an answer. They alternated who answered first. When you are the candidate that goes first, you are at a disadvantage unless you use time on subsequent questions to go back and rebut statements your opponent made on the previous question. Culver did that. Nussle did not. Culver also referred directly to Nussle's "hold onto your wallet" response to Culver's prison building proposal, tying Nussle back to the federal deficit and his record in congress.

The closing statements, two minutes each can be summed up this way:

Culver: It boils down to one question: do you want to run Iowa like Bush and Nussle have run things from Washington? Build on strengths of Iowa.

Nussle: I'm ready to "lead Iowa" and we need "new leadership" (and, by the way, we reduced the federal deficit).

Nussle also tossed the debate's first reference to scandals in state government in Iowa into his closing. To me, that resonated with the accusation at the beginning, which he never refuted, that he was the one to start the attack ads.

But, as I said, I am not into the Iowa race. This was my first exposure to either candidate. Perhaps commenters can help.

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They reinforce a couple of the reasons I declared them "winners" in their press release.

   

(Cedar Rapids) Congressman Jim Nussle continued his Washington-style campaign in tonight's debate, offering all rhetoric with no real plans.

    Congressman Nussle made it through the hour, just as he has this entire campaign, without giving a single detail about the costs of his proposals or a single plan for how he would pay for them.

    That kind of approach may work in Washington - and it apparently has for Congressman Nussle, as he has turned a record federal surplus into a $260 billion deficit with his reckless spending.

    But Iowans know better. They want and deserve a leader with Iowa values and commonsense plans to lead this state forward. Tonight, it was clear that Chet Culver was the only candidate in this race offering commonsense, fiscally responsible solutions to the challenges the state faces.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith on 10/02/2006 11:22:48 PM EST

Not Krusty the Clown, but Krusty Konservative, "Iowa's only true Konservative Blog," has a big thread of comments.

One of the commenters wants a different format:

I really wish that the debate negotiators would have allowed this to be done in a standard debate format where a question is asked to the first person, the 2nd responds, and then the first person is given a rebuttal. There were several instances where Chet used the "Nussle was Budget Chair" argument right at the end of a response and Nussle didn't have the opportunity to respond.

As I noted in my commentary, the debaters must be aware of the format and use it. Culver did that. Nussle should have used part of the time on the subsequent question to rebut. He did "have the opportunity to respond" but he did not aval himself of it.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith on 10/02/2006 11:35:05 PM EST

I think he exaggerates the stylistic differences between Nussle and Culver, but Krusty does do a decent job of amateur partisan analysis in his commentary.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith on 10/03/2006 10:47:41 AM EST

[ Parent ]
A goodly chunk of the article by Jonathan Roos is devoted to abortion, an issue I would think is unlikely to swing votes (abortion litmus test voters are relatively few).

Maybe, though, people in Iowa were unaware of the fact that Nussle does not even support an exception for rape or incest. That's why Culver called Nussle's position extreme, but the article does not mention rape or incest, instead phrasing it this way:

Culver, an abortion rights advocate, charged that Nussle has an "extreme" position on the issue in favoring a strict abortion ban that would only make an exception for the mother's life.

"As governor, I will protect a woman's right to make her own health care decisions," said Culver, Iowa's secretary of state, in a televised debate. "I am with the mainstream people in this state."

Nussle, an eight-term congressman, fired back, "I do not have an extreme position unless you believe it's extreme to protect innocent life."

Abortion was the second question asked in the debate but there were no followups on it and there were twenty total questions.

Stem cells, health care, taxes, roads, prisons, pollution, and ethanol, ethanol, ethanol. Those were the issues.

Maybe there is something about Iowa politics that makes highlighting abortion in the article understandable.

It may also be the case that writing on a deadline makes it necessary to write more about the first questions in debates!

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith on 10/02/2006 11:55:20 PM EST

So says DesMoines Register columnist, David Yepsin.

I was surprised to see this take on the expectations game:

Nussle had some high expectations going into the debate. As a congressional veteran, he has a lot more debating experience than Culver, the Iowa secretary of state whose political career has been in that executive branch agency.

You could see why Nussle's people wanted lots of debates and why Culver's wanted fewer. Culver's just not as polished as Nussle.
So Nussle can feel good he did well. Culver can feel comfortable he avoided serious mistakes.

I did not notice any difference at all in "polish". And if the expectations were that Nussle had the experience and polish edge going in, then most debate experts would say Culver's ability to hold his own constitutes a win.

Yepsin's comments on the format are good:

The format was too crammed and didn't allow time for the journalists to ask follow-up questions. Sometimes we journalists need to insist candidates move away from their boilerplate sound-bites and answer the questions that were asked.

It's also a little unfair to candidates to ask them to outline complete plans on complex topics in one-minute answers, with no opportunity for back-and-forth between the two adversaries. In a sense, this wasn't a debate but a side-by-side press conference.

It's better to reduce the number of questions asked in favor of allowing candidates more time to outline their views, hear a rebuttal from the opponent and they be given time to counter.

Culver took advantage of his time and used time in subsequent questions to go back and rebut things left dangling earlier. That's one of the reasons I said he won. He used the format better than did Nussle. Candidates have to bend the rules at times, and the strategem of returning to an earlier point is one that someone who is supposedly experienced, like Nussle, should have been using.

And the stage lighting of the candidates was also inadequate. It made Culver look bleached and accented his scowl. Debate sponsors and candidate handlers need to pay better attention to the television production values of these events. People don't pay attention to what a candidate says if he or she looks funny on the tube.

Yes, and the solid blue background for Culver was beter than the split red and white for Nussle (the Iowa flag was the backdrop and the left third is blue, the right third red). It distracted me, enyway.

Be the debater you want to see.

by Ross Smith on 10/03/2006 12:25:31 AM EST